what about their allegations and attacks. >> they are attacking susan rice for reading talking points to describe what happened in benghazi. what the best information was. the cia has intentionally taken out the word al-qaeda for terrorist because they didn't want to tip their hand that they knew who was responsible for these attacks. >> bill: susan rice was reading what was reported to them. >> yes, she says this is what we know at the time this may change. and then she said we believe this is the result of a copycat attack. it turns out that's not what happened, but when it is known for sure, the white house comes out and says that. so they are not hiding anything. so this allegation that somehow she's a political hack -- and then there is also the point that she -- they see her as vulnerable. they think they can make a blow against the president right after he has just been reelected overwhelmingly. >> bill: and why should anybody care? >> increasingly they don't. these are two fading divas. you can see it. they are already starting to back down on the talk shows, you can see them